Perception Is Reality: Challenging Perceptual Filters To Create Our Own World

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 Perception is reality. You may have heard this being said before, but what does it really mean and how does it affect our existence as human beings? This thought-provoking conversation between Chad Lefevre and September Dohrmann explores the intricacies of the mind, beliefs, and personal development. Delving into the impact of habitual autopilot thinking and neural pathways, they discuss how the choices we make in interpreting our experiences shape our perception. Using examples such as a struggling business owner and the delicate dance between belief systems and perceptual filters, the speakers highlight the importance of slowing down to understand and choose our perceptions consciously. They underscore the role of self-awareness in navigating the fast-paced modern world, emphasizing that understanding oneself is a crucial step towards mastering life. The conversation unfolds as a journey of self-discovery, encouraging us to challenge our perceptual filters, embrace discomfort, and intentionally create their reality. Tune in and learn how you can actively create your own reality now!

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Perception Is Reality: Challenging Perceptual Filters To Create Our Own World

September, how are you doing?

I’m doing pretty good.

Let’s get into it. What are we talking about? You’ve got the topics on hand. You’re like the call-in person who calls in, “I had a question about this,” or, “I want to bring this topic up,” but what’s on your mind that we can go over?

I would love to have the conversation around perception. It’s a powerful part of self-awareness. What are we perceiving? What’s the lens that we look through? There are so many layers to it. It is like peeling back an onion. When you start doing the work on yourself, it’s natural that you begin to learn about your perception. I don’t feel like it’s a forced effort. It’s a byproduct of self-discovery. Think about it. Einstein says that all realities are happening all at once. How many people are on the planet? 8 billion, something along there. That means there are 8 billion unique and different experiences that are happening now. It’s because of our perception.

When you start doing the work on yourself, it’s natural that you begin to learn about your perception.

I would think that even conjoined twins have their own unique perspective of life. They have their own observation, how they take the information, and what they make it mean. The story you told about your seven-year-old self on your birthday. That formed a perception for you. You said, “I will no longer disappoint anybody,” because what you perceived had taken place. I’d like to get your thoughts on perception. Define it through your lens. Define it through your eyes. How would you define perception?

We always talk about how perception is reality and that no human being has access to actual objective reality. All of the realities that we are experiencing are subjective. They’re all determined by our perception. Our perception is something that is formed very early on in our life, at least the beginnings or the foundation of that perception. Very early on in our life, we observe our family, our community, our friends, and our classmates in school. We’re interacting with people. What I would call our perceptual filter is being formed in terms of, “What information do I need to pay attention to? What information do I need to ignore?”

There’s a lot of sensory information that is accessible to us, but our brain subconsciously blocks out certain bits of that information, that data, and lets certain amounts in. Each person’s brain is going to be conditioned based on those early stages of life for what information is useful, important, and valuable and what information can be completely ignored. Usually, what determines what information gets in is what information is essential for my survival because the brain is only interested.

We’re talking about not the higher functioning parts of the brain of creativity, self-development, and self-efficacy, and these sorts of things. We’re talking about our brain’s number one objective in terms of those lower reptilian parts of the brain is to stay alive. Early on, we figure out through osmosis, through our environment that we’re in, what information is relevant to our survival and what isn’t. What we consider survival isn’t the obvious stuff in terms of food and shelter and things like that, but it’s also people that I can trust and people I can’t trust.

This is why, for example, in discussions about racism, a human being is not born racist. They are taught racist tendencies while those racist tendencies are effectively a perceptual filter that they’re taught people that look like this or that are a threat to my survival. Racism is a learned reaction to a perceptual filter that was developed in those people when they were very young to see anyone that doesn’t look like them as a threat.

We wrap all kinds of narratives and story around it to justify it. Frankly, what it comes down to is that anyone, any person, or circumstance that we view as a threat, we’re going to perceive them as such. We’re going to only let that information come in. Our perceptual filter affects everything. It affects the way we see ourself, the way we see others, the way we understand the world around us, and what we apply or attach meaning to.

The best way to think about perception is this, and you were alluding to it when you’re saying we have 8 billion different realities being experienced in the world. To ground it a little bit more, you and I could go to a football game and you and I would have two totally different experiences of what happened at that football game. That’s the same with everyone else in that stadium.

Someone’s watching the quarterback, someone’s watching the cheerleaders, someone’s watching the concession guy coming down, and some people are watching someone over who has a neat coat or cool coat or something like that. We’re always looking at different things and taking things in. What determines what we’re looking at and taking in is the perceptual filter we walked into the stadium with.

It’s this thing that compounds. Another example I give of power perception is everyone who’s reading, I’m sure you’ve had the experience in your life of having a car and then getting a new car, or one that’s new to you. It doesn’t need to be brand new, but a new car. Let’s say I’m driving around in a Toyota for ten years and then I decide I’m going to get a Mercedes. I’m going to upgrade. I got the Mercedes, and all of a sudden, I saw my car everywhere. It’s like, “What the heck?” You didn’t notice the Mercedes until you had the Mercedes. There’s this thing in the perception world that’s a simple way of thinking about it is if you spot it, you got it.

If you want to understand what your perceptual filter is paying attention to and what’s important to you, what you see in other people is who you are. It’s what you are. It’s the data you’re letting in. We let in what we are. That’s why after I bought a new car, I only saw my car everywhere. Our perceptual filter lets us in. When other people are coming at us and we’re triggered by something they say, or we’re in a reaction to something they say, if you spot it, you got it.

You only see yourself in other people because yourself is not a threat to you, incidentally, so you can see it. You won’t be able to see something that your perceptual filter has blocked you from seeing. It will be completely invisible to you. You won’t notice it. That’s what we call blind spots. When someone says to you, “Have you ever noticed you’re like this or you do this,” or whatever and we’re totally blind to it, it’s because our perceptual filter has blocked that aspect of who we are and/or the effects of who we are being out in the world. We don’t notice it. We can have blind spots, too.

There are two things I think that if we could help people get a handle on in life, their emotional sobriety and understanding that their experience of reality is their unique experience determined by their perception, their perceptual filter, which was developed when they were young. You can change your perceptual filter and the only way to do it is to expose yourself to new experiences that are uncomfortable to you and that you would resist.

A great example of that, going back to some of the examples that we’ve talked about, but the one I started with about racism, there’s a gentleman that I want to interview for our show. He’s a Black man. I don’t know if he’s a pastor, but he goes to White supremacist meetings. His whole objective is to be the face of transformation and change for those people because he said he understands and he knows that those people who are racist now are not who they are as humans. It’s who they’ve learned themselves to be, who they’d been taught to be. His whole objective, and he’s been very successful, is giving them an experience of a Black man who is not the experience of the perceptual filter that they’ve been trained to believe.

In giving them that experience, he cracks that perceptual filter open, and they suddenly have a different experience. I don’t know how many people, but he has successfully, that’s why I want to interview him, helped people who were part of White supremacist organizations wake up, leave, and go, “I don’t even want to be this person.” They had that perceptual filter shattered. Their reality was changed. It’s a good example of how you can change your perceptual filter if you’re willing to be uncomfortable.

You can change your perceptual filter if you’re willing to be uncomfortable.

We hear this like, “Your relationships mirror you.” Let’s say that you have a partner who has a track record for not quite telling the truth all the way. As somebody who values honesty and truth, help me understand how that part that I see or that part that’s being seen and that partner is something that’s being held within the person who’s viewing it.

To be clear, you’re in a relationship with somebody who has problems telling the truth and you are saying you see that in them because if you spot it, you got it.

Correct. How does that apply if somebody says, “No, honesty is something that I absolutely value?”

It’s the two sides of the same coin. The point is that, in this case, it’s truth. Truth is important to you in this narrative that you’re talking about here. Avoiding the truth is important to that other person, but the topic is still truth. You see the world through the lens of truth. Your perceptual filter is highly attuned in to let in information about truth or untruth. In this example, his perceptual filter. What he’s looking at is how he can manipulate or twist the truth to get something. You are looking for people who are truthful or not. Both of you are still in the conversation about truth.

That always confused me when I would hear, “People mirror back,” but that’s not how I believe in life. That’s not how I navigate life. I believe in being a good parent. I don’t believe in being a negligent parent. “I’m not a negligent parent. I was very attentive to my kids. I spent a lot of time with them,” whatever that story is that’s being told and seeing perhaps a sibling that is also a parent and going, “You’re a shitty parent.”

You can’t have the left without the right. You can’t have the darkness without the light. You can’t have good without bad. These are polarities. You can’t have truth without untruth. These are polarities and polarities are a part of the human three-dimensional experience, the level of awareness and consciousness. We exist in these polarities.

That’s why I always say that the truth, no human being can actually lay claim to understanding it because it is a conundrum. The truth is in a paradox. The truth is between 2 polarities, 2 extremes, and 2 paradigms. As human beings, we have proven over thousands of years to be completely incapable of reliably holding two things that are opposed to one another in our mind at the same time. That is very difficult for human beings to do.

We can get there with some topics that aren’t maybe serious or emotionally activating with us. It’s more ambivalence. It’s not that we’ve truly understood the truth. We tend to find ourselves gravitating to one paradigm or another. It’s actually what my Philosophy professor said to me in school. He said, “It’s precisely when you think that when you don’t think that you’re in a paradigm, that you’re within the grips of one,” because they’re that obscuring. They’re that hidden from view.

We’re always in some paradigm and the question is only is it a paradigm of your own design or is it by default? We get to choose that. If we choose to create paradigms by design that work for our life and give us a sense of integrity, we’ve got to work on our emotional sobriety and we’ve got to work on our perceptual filter on actually crafting it.

We’re always in some paradigm. The only question is, “Is it a paradigm of our own design or is it by default?”

What information am I going to let in and what information am I going to let out versus allowing the perceptual filter that was by default created when I was 8 or 9 to run my life as a 30, 40, or 50-something-year-old adult? That’s why I say we have both emotionally and from a perceptual filter standpoint, for the most part, we have children running governments and the trajectory of the planet because they haven’t done this work on themself.

I think of perception as what you believe about what you’re experiencing. What do you believe about it? It almost feels like a judgment. When you do the trauma work, you go back one way of doing it with integration and how I was taught to integrate trauma is you go back to the experience and you feel that younger self. Let’s say you’re nine years old. You’re in that skin again. You’re in that same body, just a smaller body. You’ve lived that experience. You go back to the experience and you take it all in. You become aware of, “What was I thinking? What was I thinking about? How did I feel in that moment?” When you’re 43, 45, or 50, you can look back and say, “That wasn’t the correct observation. That’s not what it meant.”

Perception is what do you believe about what you’re experiencing.

Because that’s what we believed through the lens of a 9-year-old, that’s what we interpret it to mean to us. We create a belief system, “This is what I believe about this and this is how I’ll behave accordingly.” To me, it feels more like, “How am I interpreting what is happening to me?” It reminds me of an old client who wanted this particular deal that he was working towards. He had somebody come in that was willing to give him what he wanted, $1 million. This particular business was worth zero because there’s no assets, no computers, and no database. Everything’s being ran on a notebook. There’s not a whole lot of value. There is not even a list of clients there. The property itself was worth $250,000 at best, but he wanted $1 million for it.

He found a buyer that said, “Okay, I’ll give you $1 million for it in three years.” His mindset would not allow him to have that because he kept focusing on the wrong thing. He kept focusing on things that keep the company stagnant. He was not focusing on the things that would cause the company to grow. His mind wouldn’t let him go there. He couldn’t see the possibility that was in front of him because he was so focused and programmed on focusing on what was and what has always been.

There was no room for shift for that perception to change. His perception was, “This is how I’ve always done it. My father taught me this. Forty years ago, my father taught me this, but things have changed.” He allowed his perception to stay there that this is how it’s always done instead of evolving and growing and seeing the other possibilities, opening his awareness, and opening his mind up to what’s possible.

I like that process of opening your mind to what’s possible because it doesn’t get you fixated on one path. “That’s a possibility. What’s another possibility?” You could play that possibility game. Those different possibilities then become belief systems. “That possibility resonates with me the most. I’m going to believe that about the situation.” Now, that becomes your filter. It becomes part of the lens that we look through because it’s our belief systems. Is any of that resonating or making sense or would you say that you experience that the same way?

I would say that it’s important not to conflate belief with perception. Although belief influences perception and perception influences belief. There’s a relationship to them, but they are different things. Perception is strictly relating to the data or the information that I am receiving in my brain from my five senses.

It’s important not to conflate belief with perception, although belief influences perception and perception influences belief.

What I make that mean is where my belief system kicks in. Our perceptual filter literally will prevent us from seeing, hearing, touching, or tasting certain things in the physical world that are present. Therefore, that becomes a blind spot. If it’s a blind spot, then we don’t attach any meaning to it. It’s not there. It doesn’t exist. There is a relationship between beliefs. Belief is part of the meaning making experience of human beings. Once that perceptual filter has let data in, what do I do with it? What do I make it mean?

By the way, this all happens within 1 to 2 seconds. It’s rapid, which is part of the issue. We become so habituated in terms of how we live our lives. I had read somewhere that something like 95% of everything you did yesterday, you’re going to do again today and you’re going to do again tomorrow. Until we choose not to, we are living in a Groundhog Day scenario. That happens because our brain is wired for efficiency and survival. It’s trying to make our survival as efficient as possible. One of the ways that it does that is it habituates things so we don’t have to relearn them or think about them over and over again.

Think about getting in your car and driving somewhere. The first time you drive in a car, you’re aware of the 100-something decisions you need to make in terms of driving a car. Years after doing it, you’re eating a sandwich, doing your makeup, and changing the radio all at the same time. You can multitask because it’s been a habituated thing.

Using that same example, if you wanted to improve the way you were driving the car because there was some reason why you would have to do it, maybe you were going to become a race car driver, or there are different techniques, you would have to let that new data in, slow down, and allow yourself to be able to relearn. That’s the effort that it takes to change a perceptual filter. You can apply that to anything in life.

You can apply it to your beliefs about people and society. You’d have to let new data in and then your belief system would be challenged. The belief system and the perceptual data do this dance of what you are making it mean for yourself. A common perception people have are usually limitations of the self, like, “I can’t do this,” or, “That’ll never work.” That’s a belief, but it’s based on data. Their perceptual filter has brought in data that, in the past, when they’ve tried something, nothing happened.

Now, that perceptual experience has become a belief system. That belief system will block any new evidence that would prove that belief system wrong. It won’t allow it to be challenged. People can get trapped and habituated and going through the motions, doing the same thing they’ve always done, not allowing themself to take risks, try new things, or expose themselves to new ideas, new people, and new experiences, yet they wonder why they feel like they’re so dead and not alive.

I always say to people, “People don’t like traveling just to travel.” People love going on vacations and traveling and stuff like that. They always say, “It’s so great and I felt so alive.” That only happens if you’re traveling to a place you’ve never been before or you’re experiencing things you’ve never done before, even if it’s a place you’ve never been. The reason that that happens is because your perceptual filter is overloaded with new data and new information from new experiences it has no history of, so it can’t know what to block and unblock. You’re overwhelmed with sensory information, which means your brain can’t run on autopilot. It can’t run on habit because you’re in a place you’ve never been before.

You can’t predict what’s going to happen, who’s going to be there, how to get there, and what it’s going to be like when you get there. There’s nothing. Your mind is like a child when you’re traveling to a new place. It’s open. It’s open because it’s the only posture the mind can take if it’s going to keep you safe. You have to have an open mind in new experiences to keep yourself safe.

If the brain assumes that it’s going to ignore certain things, it could be at risk because you don’t have a history of it. Whereas when you’re living a life you’ve always lived, your brain is making subconscious decisions for you about what it’s going to ignore or not ignore because you’ve already had handled that and thought about that. “No need to rehash it. Let’s not go back there.” Anyway, the experience people have when they’re traveling is one of aliveness.

Why? It’s because you were totally in the present moment. You were totally connected to yourself. Your mind was wide open and you were taking it all in. That feeling that that gives us is a feeling of aliveness. What if you could live your whole life like that? It takes intentionality to check yourself every day and basically override your perceptual filter by allowing yourself to do new things. We should be doing at least one new thing every single day to make this practical for people.

If you did one new thing, even something out of your comfort zone every day, your mind and your perceptual filter would explode. You would see so much more potential. You’d have so much more opportunity that you would have a totally different life. Our perceptual filter keeps us small and our belief systems are directly tied to our perceptual filter because that’s how we put meaning onto the things that have happened to us.

Our perceptual filters keep us small.

Some of my perception, I can’t say all because there’s so much habitual autopilot going on in the brain, these neuro pathways are developed. There is a lot of automatic behavior and automatic thinking. Through the work with TMIC, I’m learning how to slow down to speed up. In that slowdown process, it’s a matter of choosing what I want my perception to be. I want to see it this way because it serves me better or you can have somebody who owns a business and they say, “We lost $300,000 last month. There’s no way we’re going to be able to recover that. We’re going to have to shut down our doors.” That’s not going to happen. If somebody else can come in and go, “What are you talking about? There’s a huge opportunity here.”

You have to rearrange the pieces to make it work. It’s all about the choice of how we want to see things. I find that from that space, perception is habitual. There’s no choice in it. It’s slowing down time almost in that moment. Slow it down and be aware of what you are choosing to interpret what you’re experiencing. What are you choosing to believe about what you’re experiencing?

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That being said, when you talked about its survival, our brain is designed to keep us safe. Unfortunately, an uncomfortable, familiar situation is safe to the brain because it’s familiar. Even though it’s not healthy, it’s still a familiar experience. There’s such a rhythm of taking in the data so quickly and interpreting it so fast. We move at such a fast pace now. I would say if we could learn to slow ourselves down a moment and pay attention to how we feel.

I can say that that started with TMIC. Pay attention. Does this feel good to you? What you believe and perceive about that situation? Does it support you? Is it serving you? Does it serve others? If it doesn’t, then step back and make a choice. Look to see what other possibilities may be lying there. If you can’t see it, ask somebody else. “What do you think about this situation? What does this look like to you?” Everybody’s going to have a different opinion and different perception of how to navigate through particular experiences in life.

The example you give is a great one. Going back to the business owner example, someone who says, “I’ve got to shut my doors because we’re $300,000 in debt,” that’s because their perceptual filter only saw the business as going this way and it had to go like this. This is where belief and perception dance together. I’m only going to let in the data that you don’t think it’s subconscious, but your brain only lets in the data supporting the belief system. The belief system reinforces the perceptual filter to only let that data in. That’s why you can only see what you can see. Someone else who isn’t in that dance with your brain and your belief system come in and they’re like, “You may be in debt, but I see all this possibility over here,” because they’re not attached to, “This is how it was supposed to go. This is the data that proves this is how it was supposed to go and therefore this is my belief about that.”

That’s the dance people get trapped in. That’s why you can have people who are living the exact same experience but have different paths in terms of how they got there, having totally different conclusions. This is why, tragically, people who see no way out of a terrible situation other than suicide and yet other people will look at their life and were like, “They had so much potential,” Yes, but they couldn’t see it because their perceptual filter would not let that data in to change their belief. The data changes the belief and the belief works on the data that you’re let in. It’s this dance. Perceptual filter and your perception is not your belief system, but your belief system impacts the filter in terms of what it lets in and doesn’t let in.

Your perceptual filter is not your belief system. But your belief system impacts the filter in terms of what it lets in and doesn’t let in.

Going back to my racist example, someone who was taught as a young child to become a racist is not going to let in the data very easily, say a person of color doing something nice for them. All of a sudden, their whole perceptual filter is like, “What’s going on here? This is not computing.” They’ll probably resist it for a time because this is where people confuse their lifestyle for their life. It occurs to us as being like, “Our life is at risk here. If my belief system is changed, then it’s going to change my perceptual filter. I’m going to let new data in. Everything’s going to unwind.”

It is this very delicate matrix between our emotional sobriety, our belief systems, and our perceptual filter that all work together to affect our perception. Incidentally, sometimes when you’re challenging your perceptual filter and you’re wanting to expand your mind, you might have a fear emotion come up. Learning how to listen to your emotions, it’s not like fear bad and not fear good. It’s not that black and white because the fear emotion could be because you’re doing something uncomfortable.

However, if we learn to listen deeply beyond the fears like, “Am I afraid because it’s truly out of alignment with me or am I afraid because it’s so new where I’m headed is in alignment with me, so I have to press through the fear?” there are a lot of nuances to this, and the only way to figure it out is through trial and error. The more you know yourself, the more effective you’re going to be at this.

I was going to say self-awareness plays a big role. You have to be self-aware. Know how you feel and how you perceive things. You have to be able to slow down. At least, that’s what the experience felt like to me. When I became more aware of that process, it felt like I was slowing down to speed up.

The slowing down part is key to this because if you don’t slow down, most people are making decisions about what they’re perceiving and what they believe about what they’re perceiving within literally 1 to 2 seconds. It’s nothing time and probably less. We have an eight-second attention span apparently these days. Our minds are designed to work on habit and we’ve created a habit of eight seconds.

You can’t even say hello to somebody and have an introductory exchange in eight seconds, but somehow we’re making, in some cases, life and death decisions in eight-second soundbites. No wonder we’re seeing people lose it nowadays. Mental health crisis, crisis with drug addiction and opioid addiction or anything to escape life, anger, frustration, and all of the stuff we’re seeing in our society is the result in part of people moving way too quickly.

Our society is experiencing something that was never prepared for with the advent of the technology or social media now. AI has advanced far faster than our ability to integrate it into who we are, how we want to conduct ourselves, and the type of society we want to live in. It has happened far too quickly.

It’s the classic everyone talked about the fact that we could. No one asked whether we should and even if we should and how we should do it if we were to move forward. I’m encouraging people to slow down, like you’re saying, because slowing down, you can go faster because you’re making choices that are more in alignment with you. The more you do that, the more you’re going to experience this state of flow in your life where things are working for you. If you don’t slow down, you’re going to be meeting resistance at every turn. That’s the fallout of it.

That is definitely true in my experience. That is my perception as well.

It’s all a perception. We’re never outside of a perception again. Is it of your own design though or is it by default? Was it something you learned 20 to 30 years ago or are you actively creating now? That’s why it’s not something that you can get handled in 3 days at a workshop or 7 days in a retreat. As human beings, we are the culmination of our subconscious habits and habituated conditioning. We didn’t become this way in 1 week or 2 weeks. Why do we think we’re going to redesign it any faster than that? It’s ridiculous.

That’s why we’re unabashed. We have a one-year program. It’s a year. Actually, it’s your life. We decided to call it a one-year program, but it’ll get you started. Some people are like, “A year? Where’s the five steps to all my dreams coming true?” I’m thinking, “When has that ever worked for anyone? Never.” We don’t have much respect for mastery these days and what it takes to become a master. If you’re going to be a master of anything, you should be a master of your own life. At the very least, master your life.

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I would say master yourself by knowing yourself. That’s a good one. When you think about the phases of brain development from birth to twelve, how crucial that period of time is for programming, why do we think, like you’re saying, that three days can undo programming that happened from 0 to 12?

Everything since then has reinforced that programming.

It was a fascinating topic. I know we can talk about it in so many different ways and so many different angles.

These kinds of topics we will talk about over and over again in different ways and from different perspectives because it’s the thing that until you hear it enough times, it doesn’t click 100%. There are people reading whose perceptual filter is blocking out 75% of what we’re saying. That’s why they’re not trying. It’s not an intentional thing. It’s unconscious. Even in sales, if you go for sales training, they’ll say someone needs to hear the sales pitch 7 times in 7 different ways before they can determine whether it’s a fit for them or not.

The first few times, their perceptual filter is blocking this. It’s like Charlie Brown. Sometimes, it’s like the teacher and Charlie Brown. You can’t even understand what the person is saying. You’re hearing the words. They’re saying the word, but it’s not computing. It’s not integrating. That’s because the perceptual filter’s blocking it all. We are going to be intentionally redundant and repetitive about this stuff because it’s the only way to help people understand it.

I’m excited about those forward conversations. It’s a good introduction to people. This is maybe a new conversation for them.

I’ll leave people with this idea that when you’re interacting with a colleague, a family member, or some experience is happening to you, try to slow down and experience it not in this matter-of-fact way like, “That’s happening.” I tell people, “Do something new every day. Drive home from work a different route.” I intentionally go to cities when I’m traveling and I intentionally don’t use a GPS and try to figure out, based on my understanding of where things are in the city, how to get to where I’m going. I actually get myself lost.

The number of things I’ve discovered, like little shops, cool little restaurants, or things like that, just because I wasn’t going on the habituated highway. It’s remarkable. You can have that experience in your own life. Maybe have a different conversation. I find it fun with people I know well to talk about things that are avant-garde and outside the normal conversation. Sometimes they’re shocked and they’re like, “What are you talking about? It’s out of my comfort zone.”

I remember when I used to work in office buildings and I’d get in the elevator, I was always curious about people’s experiences. I’d turn around and face them. Everyone’s in the elevator and I’d stand looking at them. It was like you had committed the most grievous sin. It was like they looked like, “What’s this guy doing?” I don’t know. Maybe it frustrated some people, but maybe there was one person on those elevators who reflected on that.

It was like, “Why did that bug me so much?” There’s a little crack, a little opening of awareness. The more we can play that game with ourself, try things differently, have different conversations, take a different route home, and challenge yourself to get out of your comfort zone, the more life is going to be like the new place that you’re traveling to for the first time. Life is going to expand for you.

This has been an interesting conversation. We thank everyone for dropping in and reading as usual. Thank you as always, September, for stimulating our minds and activating some topics that we can apply in our own life. You can find out more information about our programs at or We hope to have you join either Whole Life Architecture or some of the other cool stuff that we’re doing and be part of the community. Until then, we’ll see you on the next episode.


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Creating the best education system on the planet for our next generation in order for them to think for themselves and to thrive.

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